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RSS Questions answered [ Must Read ]
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Are you a Secularist? Then please answer these questions, before you vote

1. There are nearly 52 Muslim countries. Show one Muslim country which provides
Haj subsidy.

Govt. Subsidy to Pilgrimage is not limited to Muslims for Haj in India. It is a
matter of constitutional right in Secular India.

Hindus pilgrims are getting subsidies for visiting Amarnath and Badarinath.

2. Show one Muslim country where Hindus are extended the special rights that
Muslims are accorded in india?

Secular India is not giving any special privilege to any minority community more
than what other countries and UN had given to minorities in other part of the
world. Please check with your fellows living in some Muslim countries around the
world especially from the middle east like UAE, OMAN etc. most of these
countries are normally known as Islamic states but none of these countries have
shown any discrimination to Hindus or Christians or other religions in most
areas of life on the basis of religious faith. Can you show a single incident
where a human being is attacked and killed as in Gujarat in these countries on
the basis of religion or faith being different?

We should not stand for religion based states (as both RSS and Alqueda stands)
but secular democratic states which do cherish the richness of all religious
faiths and cultural pluralities.

3. Show one Muslim country which has a Non-Muslim as its President or Prime
Minister.

Please check with your friends about Malaysia, Indonesia or Fijis constitution?
And who all ruled these countries. Remember Indonesia the single largest Muslim
populated country in the world.

4. Show one country where the 85% majority craves for the indulgence of the 15%
minority.

Indulgence what do you mean by that? Show me a Single RSS, VHP, BJP leader who
fought for the freedom of India, Show me a single rss Volunteer whom you can
call a martyr to India’s Freedom Struggle. BJP Leader A.B. Vajpey himself
betrayed India’s Freedom struggle and he have given a written statement to
British police by declaring that he will remain as a loyal agent to British
Queen and her Empire. Why are you trying to call this nation a Hindu Nation?
Only the secularists fought and struggled to make an Independent and unified
India. I just ask what is your right to speak about 85% majority? TRIBALS,
ABORIGINES, DALITS AND HARIJANS ARE NOT A PART OF HINDU RELIGION they are the
part of the secular India only. Please don't claim you are 85% of this countries
population.

Those who consider their religious identity as their primary identity are very
few in this country. You also can find that in 99% of your life moments that
identity does not occur important to you unless you are in a riot hit area or in
a place of worship. Further when you are in a riot-hit area that identity may
force you to see people of other religions as potential dangers to your life.
But when you are in the worship place that should encourage you to love every
being around you including people of other faiths.

5. Shoe one Mullah or Maulvi who has declared a 'fatwa' against terrorists.

Dealing with terrorists is the duty of the Govt. Police and the secular
credentials of the country only not the matter of RSS, BJP or any Mullah or
Maulvi is entitled to make any such declarations.

6. Hindu-majority Maharashtra, Bihar, Kerala, Pondicherry, etc. have in the past
elected Muslims as CMs; Can you ever imagine a Hindu becoming the CM of Muslim -
majority J&K?

Hindu Majority?

Maharashtra, Bihar, Kerala, Pondicherry etc are part of secular India only
irrespective religious faith any human beings part of Indian democracy can
achieve any highest position in Independent and Secular India. Remember India
achieved its freedom from British rule after a long freedom struggle under the
leadership of secular, communist and nationalist leadership only. No body who
talks about Hindu majority or Hindurashtra was not supporting this freedom
struggle. I just ask what is your right to call India Hindu rashtra?

7. Today Hindus are 85%. If Hindus are intolerant, how come Masjids and
Madrassas are thriving? How come Muslims are offering Namaz on the road? How
come Muslims are proclaiming 5 times a day on loudspeakers that there is no God
except Allah?

Who said Hindus are intolerant? Indians are not Intolerant at all except those
who stand with some fascist jihadis. Those who stand for hindurashtra or for the
fascist agenda of RSS! And Please check with Mr. Advani your leader and Home
minister to Secular India how many Indian Muslims are in his terrorists list?

Please go to some primary school and start learning from there itself the
meaning of Allah! Allah is an Arabic word for Bhagavan It does not have any
other meaning. (Countries like Syria, Lebanon, Iraq people irrespective of their
religion and faith they do use the word Allah for God)

8. When Hindus gave to Muslims 30% of Bharat for a song, why should Hindus now
beg for their sacred places at Ayodhya, Mathura and Kashi?

Ayodhya? You don't feel shame to occupy somebody’s land by force and call
yourself a tolerant person? There are about 40 shrines in and around ayodhya
were Ram is believed to have born and numerous places in other parts of India
which people, in their faith, connect with the events narrated in Ramayan.
Nobody is begging there for a sacred place.Did you ever heard that Ram was born
in the place of Babri Masjid before the RSS started such a politically motivated
campeign.Ask the question to you parents grand parents or any aged hindus in
your locality.

In comparison to Lord Krishna or Lord Shiva Your mythical heroes stories are
quiet related to south India but please tell me the reason why people of south
India is not worshiping your new IT era Gods.

9. Why temple funds are spent for the welfare of Muslims and Christians, when
they are free to spend their money in any way they like?
Please talk with proper evidence
10. When uniform is made compulsory for school children, why there is no Uniform
Civil Code for citizens?

Is Uniform civil code acceptable to Hindu fundamentalists? Why can't you talk
about a Gender based civil code instead of Uniform Civil Code.

In which irrespective or religion, cast and creed man and woman will get (its
totally against manusmriti - NA STRI SWATHANTRIYA ARHATI!) equal right.

11. In what way, J&K is different from Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu or Uttar Pradesh,
to have article 370?

In many respects J&K is not different to Maharashtra and Tamil Nadu or UP but it
was the agreement (article 370) prior to merging the Hindu kingdom to
Independent India.

12. Why Gandhiji supported Khilafat Movement (nothing to do with our freedom
movement) and what in turn he got?

Base of Khilafat Movement was not fundamentalism; It was one of the organized
mainstream movement against British and other colonial invaders.

13. Why Gandhiji objected to the decision of the cabinet and insisted that
Somnath Temple should be reconstructed out of public fund, not government funds.
When in January 1948 he presurrised Nehru and Patel to carry on renovation of
the mosques of Delhi at government expenses?

I am not much aware of this Delhi mosques issues please provide more details.

14. If Muslims & Christians are minorities in Maharashtra, UP, Bihar etc., are
Hindus not minorities in J&K, Mizoram, Nagaland, Arunachal Pradesh, Meghalaya
etc? Why are Hindus denied minority rights in these states?

Minority rights are not decided by state it’s based on federal law and
constitution only. If chatisgra or bastar has a majority of tribals do it mean
that they should not get any reservations?

15. Do you admit that Hindus do have problems that need to be recognized. Or do
you think that those who call themselves Hindus are themselves the problem?

I admit few create problems in the name of religion and fascism like BJP, RSS
and VHP

16. Why post-Godhra is blown out of proportion, when no-one talks of the ethnic
cleansing of 4 lakh Hindus from Kashmir?

You seem to be got confused a lot by RSS propaganda to think that the
“Kashmiriyat” the native culture of J&K is synonymous to Islam. It is the RSS
that try to legitimize the cold-blooded massacre in Gujarath. Think if the
Dalits in India start to settle their accounts with upper caste people in the
same logic? Do you want to murder 4 Lakh innocent people?

If no Hindus talks about your concerns try to understand why is it so? Try to
understand the concerns of good Hindus and understand Hinduism more.

17. In 1947, when India was partitioned, the Hindu population in pakistan was
about 24%. Today it is not even 1%. In 1947, the Hindu population in East
Pakistan (now Bangladesh) was 30%. Today it is about 7%. What happened to the
missing Hindus? Do Hindus have human rights?

It may be because many Pakistanis (like Mr. L.K Advani) were migrated to India.
(Secular India has always been open to people irrespective of their place of
birth). Every human being have secular democratic rights, which were denied to
majority of our population. Dalits,Tribals,Child workers, exploited workers…they
fall in such numerous categories.85% of them shall be practicing the Hindu
Religion if your logic below is correct. Try to be in touch with right activists
they will unravel to you the mystery of missing people.

18. In contrast, in India, Muslim population has gone up from 10.4% in 1951 to
about 14% today; whereas Hindu population has come down from 87.2% in 1951 to
85% in 1991. Do you still think that Hindus are fundamentalists?

No right-minded person can be a Fundamentalist. But it is a tendency to which
every religious people are vulnerable. Those who are serious about their
religious faith must take utmost care to guard them against such
vulnerabilities. In India most Hindus are diligent about their faith and that is
the reason why fundamentalist organizations like RSS, Bajrangdal, VHP etc are
mere outfits.

Your logic that fundamentalist religions should always grow is not correct.
Generally people do not pay respect to or like to embrace a religion when it
turns inhuman and rotten under fanatics and fundamentalists.

19. Do you consider that - Sanskrit is communal and Urdu is secular, Mandir is
Communal and Masjid is Secular, Sadhu is Communal and Imam is Secular, BJP is
communal and Muslim league is Secular, Dr. Praveen Bhai Togadia is ANTI-NATIONAL
and Bhukari is Secular, Vande Matharam is communal and Allah-O-Akbar is secular,
Shriman is communal and Mian is secular, Hinduism is Communal and Islam is
Secular, Hindutva is communal and Jihadism is secular, and at last, Bharat is
communal and Italy is Secular?

I consider Sanskrit and Urdu as languages. Sanskrit is ancient and not in
popular usage. Both are very poetic indeed. Mandir is Hindu and Masjid is Muslim
but both worship places, Sadhu is Hindu and Imam is Muslim but both perform
priestly functions both can be secular minded or communal, BJP and Muslim league
are political parties having communal lineage, Dr. Praveen Togadia is of course
ANTI-NATIONAL, but he can change his ways. …

You are posing similar categories as if they are polar opposites. Secularism, to
put it very simply is against such misrepresentations.

20. When Christian and Muslim schools can teach Bible and Quran, Why Hindus
cannot teach Gita or Ramayan?

Hindus can teach and they are teaching also. Think if those who are dedicating
themselves to demolish Masjids were turned to the greatness of Gita and take
such noble initiatives as teaching children to be good human beings and respect
other faiths.

21. Abdul Rehman Antuley was made a trustee of the famous Siddhi Vinayak Temple
in Prabhadevi, Mumbai Can a Hindu - say Mulayam or Laloo - ever become a trustee
of a Masjid or Madrassa?

The Siddhi Vinayak Temple administration has shown an admirable example in the
true religious as well as secular Indian spirit when it has done so. Such
examples are amply there among Muslims also. But “Can a Hindu ever become a
trustee of a Masjid or Madrassa?” is a question that we keep on asking to those
few Hindu Believers who in their vulnerability and ignorance are crying out to
demolish masjids.

22. Dr. Praveenbhai Togadia has been arrested many times on flimsy grounds. Has
the Shahi Imam of Jama Masjid, Delhi, Ahmed Bhukari been arrested for claiming
to be an ISI agent an d advocating partition of Bharat

Arrests should be made as per CPC in India and not on flimsy grounds or for
claiming something.

23. When Haj pilgrims are given subsidy, why Hindu pilgrims to Amarnath,
Sabarimalai & Kailash Mansarovar are taxed?

Have you ever been a pilgrim to Amarnath, Sabarimalai or Kailash Mansarovar?
There is no special tax so far in India for Pilgrimages.

A Muslim President, A Hindu Prime Minister and a Christian Defence
Minister,
running the affairs of the nation with a unity of purpose.
Can this happen anywhere, except in a HINDU NATION - BHARAT

This will not happen in a “Hindu nation” as in such a situation ones religious
identity will be given an undue prominence. Reconsider your questions above were
you do the same thing. You classify citizens into Hindu, Muslim etc and forget
the unity of purpose. Remember sometime ago a Chief Election Commissioner who
was an atheist by faith was classified as a Christian by Mr. Narendra Modi.

This happens only in Secular democratic countries like India. That is why we
should promote secularism and democracy

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Someone 11/05/2004 01:41

Apparently you dont know much:

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YOU SAID:
1. There are nearly 52 Muslim countries. Show one Muslim country which provides
Haj subsidy.
AMSWER: Afghanistan,Somalia,Sudan,Saudi Arabia,Iraq,Indonesia,Malaysia,Mauritania,Senegal,Sierra Leon,ect.... Don't take my word check with there state departments.

2. Show one Muslim country where Hindus are extended the special rights that Muslims are accorded in india?

Do you considered state sponsered rape and ethnic cleansing (labelled by Human Right Watch)special rights?

3. Show one Muslim country which has a Non-Muslim as its President or Prime
Minister.

Lebanon - Constitution says president has to be a Christian. Malaysia, Indonesia, Fiji...all put together outnumbers India.

4. Show one country where the 85% majority craves for the indulgence of the 15% minority.

BJP were Gandhi's killers, I think by 'craves for indulgence' you actually mean craves for reclimation of an ancient system in the guise of democracy which is seriously challenged by the morality of the Christians, Muslims, and Sikh;s.

5. Shoe one Mullah or Maulvi who has declared a 'fatwa' against terrorists.

Wait a minute, I thought you were a secularist? What do you want a fatwa for...but to answer your question, just look it up on google, type in 'fatwa against terrorism' you'll find about 30,000 sites of fatwa's ranging from Saudi Arabia to Muslim American Scholars. (Man, at least look up the facts before you speak, youve been wrong on every point so far.)

6. Hindu-majority Maharashtra, Bihar, Kerala, Pondicherry, etc. have in the past
elected Muslims as CMs; Can you ever imagine a Hindu becoming the CM of Muslim -
majority J&K?

Ranting ranting ranting, if you dont know, there aren't many hindu's in Muslim countries...you seem to forget that Gandhi said many good things of Muslims, what exatly do you want? Muslims, Christians, and Sikh;s in India to just say 'No the Hindu majority of India is not prejudice against us!' The fact is that hindu's don't like monothiests and have admited it for the highest ranking authorities as a violation of India's culture, what kind of democracy is that? By the way if you combine Christians, Muslims, and Sikhs in India, that would make Hindu's a largest minority not a majority. It is easy to hide hate under the dressing of saying 'yes but were a democracy' Sadam claimed to be democratic, he held popular elections before he was bombed, Iran claims to be a democracy, what do you think, people are stupid... people see clearly through the fake wanna be just like you 'west' crap and see you as hate mongerers just like the tyrants before you....Iran, Iraq, Israel, ect....

7. Today Hindus are 85%. If Hindus are intolerant, how come Masjids and
Madrassas are thriving? How come Muslims are offering Namaz on the road? How
come Muslims are proclaiming 5 times a day on loudspeakers that there is no God
except Allah?

India is actually 81% Hindu. I noticed you said Masjids thriving, do you feel Church's are thriving too. Do you call burning of Masjids as thriving? You seem to forget that having Muslims and Christians or others to pray does not erase current hate and sentiment. Besides, it is the right of these people to pray where theyve been praying for a very long time, long before the existance of Modern India. Also you know that if Hindu's tried thier ethnic cleanising on a larger base they would face revolt.

8. When Hindus gave to Muslims 30% of Bharat for a song, why should Hindus now
beg for their sacred places at Ayodhya, Mathura and Kashi?

If you use the argument of giving back to sacred rights, then how about to sacred people, how far back do you want to go? Ancient India belonged to the Aryan's. Although many Indians keep the ancient Aryan culture, names, and religion....it is historicly proven that the majority of the Indians are not of Aryan descent rather they are dravidians. Should we then not give back India to the true descendents of Aryans whose remaiiing anscestors can be found in modern day afghanistan, iran, and the caucuses region, who are ironically predominantly Muslim? Be careful with your logically phalicies, it might start something haunting.

9. Why temple funds are spent for the welfare of Muslims and Christians, when
they are free to spend their money in any way they like?

I dont know what the hell your talking about here.

10. When uniform is made compulsory for school children, why there is no Uniform
Civil Code for citizens?

Again, learn english properly before you ask.

11. In what way, J&K is different from Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu or Uttar Pradesh,
to have article 370?

I don't know.

12. Why Gandhiji supported Khilafat Movement (nothing to do with our freedom
movement) and what in turn he got?

The Khiliafat movement is a matter of belief in religion, to say one should not have one, would be denying religiouse rights as seems to be your actual motive which is what the entire argument lies on. To deny this right is like asking the Jews a denial of a religious belief to return to thier homeland.

13. Why Gandhiji objected to the decision of the cabinet and insisted that
Somnath Temple should be reconstructed out of public fund, not government funds.
When in January 1948 he presurrised Nehru and Patel to carry on renovation of
the mosques of Delhi at government expenses?

Why rebuild the temples at all, again if you want to go there, then lts bring back the old Aryans from Iran and Afghanistan to sit in them....

14. If Muslims & Christians are minorities in Maharashtra, UP, Bihar etc., are
Hindus not minorities in J&K, Mizoram, Nagaland, Arunachal Pradesh, Meghalaya
etc? Why are Hindus denied minority rights in these states?

You apparently don't know much about democracy, minority rights are not based on individual, states, cities, towns, hamlets, ect.... but on a federal level. That;s like saying about the Americans who give minority rights in their reservations arguing that the white coloialist American's should have mionority rights within the reservation. What does that exattly mean, should the whites make the decisions in the deprived areas of the reservations or black gehto's, similarly with India, it doesnt make sense.

15. Do you admit that Hindus do have problems that need to be recognized. Or do
you think that those who call themselves Hindus are themselves the problem?

All people have problems, but the majority Hindu mentality against Christians, Muslims, and Sikh;s are prevalent.

16. Why post-Godhra is blown out of proportion, when no-one talks of the ethnic
cleansing of 4 lakh Hindus from Kashmir?

The Indians in Kashmir act as a colonialist power, and like all colonialist face consequences (might I remind you of the four Americans burned in Iraq) but within India, the killing of the Muslims and others are brute attacks noted by truely democratic societies.

17. In 1947, when India was partitioned, the Hindu population in pakistan was
about 24%. Today it is not even 1%. In 1947, the Hindu population in East
Pakistan (now Bangladesh) was 30%. Today it is about 7%. What happened to the
missing Hindus? Do Hindus have human rights?

All humans have human rights, but our sicusion is of Indian human rights.

18. In contrast, in India, Muslim population has gone up from 10.4% in 1951 to
about 14% today; whereas Hindu population has come down from 87.2% in 1951 to
85% in 1991. Do you still think that Hindus are fundamentalists?

Population control has nothing to due with ideoligies

19. Do you consider that - Sanskrit is communal and Urdu is secular, Mandir is
Communal and Masjid is Secular, Sadhu is Communal and Imam is Secular, BJP is
communal and Muslim league is Secular, Dr. Praveen Bhai Togadia is ANTI-NATIONAL
and Bhukari is Secular, Vande Matharam is communal and Allah-O-Akbar is secular,
Shriman is communal and Mian is secular, Hinduism is Communal and Islam is
Secular, Hindutva is communal and Jihadism is secular, and at last, Bharat is
communal and Italy is Secular?

Stupid analogies

20. When Christian and Muslim schools can teach Bible and Quran, Why Hindus
cannot teach Gita or Ramayan?

How many Raymayans or Gitas have been burned in the temples and vice versa, your arguments are senseless all you are trying to do is deny that oppresion exists from the Hindu majority by bringing up senless arguments...